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I like the new Doom a lot. During my first play through, I would've given it a five. Now that I've cleared it though, I would have to agree with a four.
icycalm
I am thinking of putting a track from it on the mix
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FNCfPT9B10I like how the armor looks so close to the original Doom's
It's like a perfectly HD version of it
and the same goes for the track
quash
The OST is awesome
That track is one of the best too
icycalm
If you like another more link it
quash
Trying to find it
I don't know any of the track names lol
https://youtu.be/pNkQMtZAMAwThis is the one
icycalm
Not enough of a melody in there for me to enjoy it outside the game, but I bet it feels awesome in the game
quash
True enough. The intro is several minutes long lol
Are there any MGR tracks yet?
icycalm
In the mix? One
quash
Armstrong's theme?
That's my best guess lol
icycalm
No, Rules of Nature
I think I considered Armstrong's theme at some point, but they fuck it up at some point
There are tracks like that that are awesome up to a point, and then drop the ball
All of Jeremy Soule's tracks are like this (edited)
That's why there are none in the mix
lemme hear Armstrong's theme again and I'll tell you the exact second it fucks up
the entire middle of the song is shit
quash
Where it keeps repeating the riff?
icycalm
No, where he's singing
from about 1.5 mins forward
so shit I can't even finish the song
I don't think I've ever listened to all of it
the first few lines of his song are okay, but he keeps going and going, and it gets worse, and then a "solo" type thing comes on, and the music is just noise by this point
it's unlistenable
quash
I'll have to listen to it with this perspective later. I was always annoyed at the poor balancing of the vocals in that song, but liked the rest.
icycalm
don't mind my opinion
80% of what people post as "great vg music" in the forum is unlistenable to me
if they post one track that I can listen all the way through they are heroes to me
quash
Haha
Are you a fan of Koshiro at all?
icycalm
no idea who he is
quash
He did the Bare Knuckle games
icycalm
oh ok
quash
As well as the Wangan Midnight games
icycalm
I always see his full name
that's why I didn't recognize it
It's not the same without the Yuzo
Have you never checked out the mix?
It's on the frontpage, and it has like a dozen of his tracks (edited)
most picked by me
quash
I think he's pretty hit and miss, but when he gets it right he nails it
icycalm
If he is hit and miss then everyone else making game music is miss and miss
Of course he makes less inspired stuff, but I don't know of anyone with a higher hit ratio
quash
Well I am also factoring in his later works, which a lot of people tend to ignore for some reason
icycalm
Show me one composer with a higher hit/miss ratio, if you can
I am inc. all his works
quash
Daisuke Ishiwatari maybe
icycalm
Is all the stuff on GG his?
quash
Yes
icycalm
Because most of it is rubbish
quash
Also BB
icycalm
From what I've heard, only 2 or 3 of his tracks sound good to me
While Koshiro has dozens
Again, that's my opinion
But I listen to real metal, and his aping is pitiful, most of the time
quash
I do think he tends to focus too much on aping as you put it
icycalm
He has no other choice
All game composers ape
If they could innovate they'd be real composers
quash
Right, but he straight up steals riffs sometimes
icycalm
They all do
Same with movie soundtrack people
Stealing left and right from real composers
Classical composers most of all
And it's the same with game illustrators
Same with game actors
That's how advanced art works
And the cinematographers steal from painters
No way you can reinvent the wheel when you are part of a huge machine, and no reason to
icycalm
It would be stupid to not steal
I really have to finish the Set Theory essay
quash
Right. I get what you're saying. I just don't see anyone else taking Led Zeppelin songs start to finish and calling them theirs.
icycalm
He did that?
quash
Yeah, Potemkin's theme
icycalm
Could have just licensed the song
quash
Almost the entire thing
icycalm
The only thing I care about at the end of the day is if the track -- or asset of whatever kind -- is beneficial to the game
I let lawyers handle the rest
quash
Indeed. Insects and their laws.
icycalm
lol, I had forgotten about that
Plus, Koshiro has range
Ishiwatari keeps doing the same thing over and over
and when this thing is so inferior to the real composers, I just can't bring myself to respect it very much
While with Koshiro you'd be hard pressed to say what he's trying to ape most of the time
What is the Bare Knuckle or Super Shinobi OST aping? (edited)
For lack of a better term, he seems to have more "soul" to me
More stories to tell
While when I think of Ishiwatari I think of a huge mass of samey jumbled subpar guitar riffs
He does have his moments, and I have a some tracks in the mix from him, but I wouldn't put him anywhere near Koshiro
Actually my favorite OST composers are the dudes who did PA and Psyvariar 2
Nothing else that I have heard comes close to those soundtracks
Those are genuinely good music
quash
Oh Psyvariar 2
That game does have really good music
I bought the Xbox version a few years ago
Didn't expect to get so hooked on it