Uberust

[icycalm]

This is a private conversation between me and ℣乇乂 from Discord on the subject of awarding points. Read it, and let me know what you think. If nothing else, it will help you understand what we are trying to achieve here.


icycalm
Then we count the monuments for points
And that's how we make the leaderboard
http://uberust.net/

℣乇乂
wdym you count the monuments for points?

icycalm
Check the top of the site for the new rules
To capture a monument, your clan has to put up a sign next to it with your clan's name
Just before the wipe, we pause the game, and count the signs

℣乇乂
but... couldnt there be several signs on one monument? and can they be destroyed and replaced non stop just even by a naked with a hatchet???

icycalm
yeah
So your clan better build a base nearby and guard them

℣乇乂
so everyone could just place a 2x2 next to their sign and everytime it gets destroyed just make a new one
just spawn in the 2x2 and check whether its raided or not each like 12 hours and just simply replace.

icycalm
It's not like that
The sign only needs to be there at the wipe
Before the wipe, the clans will be maneuvering for position and dominance around the monuments
If your clan has a base right next to a monument, it can patrol it more easily at the wipe
A clan from across the map has no hope
So the entire week clans will be battling to set up bases next to monuments

℣乇乂
so pretty much its a completely normal wipe like any other server except for the last 3 hours of the wipe every clans trying to place signs down around the map and protect them?

icycalm
No

℣乇乂
thats what it will end out being

icycalm
In a normal server, you only need one base
It is stupid to make 2
Here, if you want to capture many monuments, for many points, you will need many bases

℣乇乂
yea I know what you mean but if you have 30 people in your clan like some of these people do, all live in one base untill 2 hours before wipe, 5 people go to every monument place down their sign and just sit there with respawns from 2x2 and watch their flag, clans are not forced to do anything until its like a wednesday

icycalm
If there are 40 clans in the servers, this won't work

℣乇乂
if you really wanna make the clan interesting and fun etc etc, make it no offlines at ALL. Fullstop. Make it just a 2x server for rockets so more raids, and everyone raid that is done it is rewarded an amount of points depending on how big the base was and how clean it was, if you wanna do offlines do the same thing but you get like 1/2 the points if its offline
the server*

icycalm
We spent days discussing options

℣乇乂
thats what people want, everyone just gets offlined.

icycalm
We prefer to fight over territory than base size

℣乇乂
base size?

icycalm
You said "how big the base was"
We don't want to compete on that

℣乇乂
you obviously didnt read it

icycalm
Okay, I am rereading it

℣乇乂
make it no offlines at ALL. Fullstop. Make it just a 2x server for rockets so more raids, and everyone raid that is done it is rewarded an amount of points depending on how big the base was

icycalm
I don't want to rate people's raids
I want to try to build a large area for my clan
the bigger the area, the more the points
like in a real war

℣乇乂
so if you raid a 2x2 its 1 point, if you raid a 20x20 with a big compound its 100 points to raid online 50 points to raid offline that sorta thing

icycalm
We want some metric that is easy to compare
I don't want to spend days trying to award points
To check the monuments will take me 30 mins

℣乇乂
couunt how many foundations thick the base is (edited)

icycalm
lol
There is no way I will compare these things
I want a war, not an architectural contest
Or a beauty contest

℣乇乂
how is it a beauty contest???

icycalm
Sorry
I thought you said something about how "clean" the raid or the base is
I think that you think you have a good tactic to win
I am telling you your tactic is bad
Try it this week

℣乇乂
I just came up wit hthis idea

icycalm
If you just go outside the monuments 30 mins before wipe, you will get crushed from clans who built their base there

℣乇乂
For the 3rd time, its not a beauty contest, What i mean by how big the base is the more points you get when you RAID it. SO the bigger the base the clan raids the more points the clan gets so if the clan raids a 2x2 they get 2 points if the clan raid a 20x20 they got 50 or so points so THE BIGGER THE RAID THE MORE POINTS YOU GET. Same goes even for if you defend a raid etc etc

icycalm
There is no way in hell I will spend 7 days a week tracking raids (edited)
I have a life

℣乇乂
there are ways to go around that and people will help im sure

icycalm
I do not trust anyone
I want a quick, easy way to count points
10 people in my clan spent 3 days thinking
And we have arrived at this solution

℣乇乂
just not something like what you have now, which is just play a normal wipe and then go hard to get signs next to monuments and the more members and whether you have a base next to it or not makes it easier

icycalm
Let's try something

℣乇乂
people r not going to be preparing for 6 days just go put some signs around a monument to protect them

icycalm
Post your ideas and objections in the #rust channel

℣乇乂
we can try it this week but just i doubt it will be interesting

icycalm
And I will respond there, and other people will be able to respond too

℣乇乂
I'll discuss it with my clan

icycalm
Okay
The solution we have arrived at is an experiment
Just like the Saturday's game was an experiment
If the experiment fails, we will try something else
But for the time being, this is the most promising solution we have found

℣乇乂
find some people you trust

icycalm
The deeper issue is that I don't want to compete on raids
Raiding is only ONE aspect of war

℣乇乂
so is placing signs (edited)
and protecting them

icycalm
You are not protecting the signs
You are protecting your territory

℣乇乂
which is the signs

icycalm
We just don't have a better way to claim territory
Maybe one day a modder will make something
Until then, this is the best solution we have for comparing territory
If you have a better one, I am all ears

℣乇乂
just got an idea from another member was that everyone can have unlimited lives etc, but you get a point everytime a clan member kills someone from another clan (not just nakeds or randoms so no cheating) so at the end of the wipe there can be an end tally or how many clan members the clan has killed.
and if I can add to that you get like 10 points per base you raid
you dont have to be one the clan just has to send you proof that you raided a base and get some points from that

icycalm
It's not a bad idea
But it can't be implemented

℣乇乂
why not

icycalm
You would need a mod to count the deaths
I don't think there is one

℣乇乂
use a mod.
im sure there would be one

icycalm
We don't know how to make it
Plus, 1. We are trying to use no mods, to attract more people
and 2. You would have to register every clan member, which would be a lot of work
With my idea, I don't have to register anyone
I don't care if people use clan tags or not
I just count signs

℣乇乂
Honest, what I think is that you make it back to a private server, all the clans compete and there are SERVER Console commands to see the ammount of kills each player has, you know where each player us belonged to so just count the ammount of kills each player has and add them together

icycalm
Add together the kills of thousands of players every week?

℣乇乂
I understand that you want something easy to do to count it and not take much of your time but if you have no committment and/or no time you are taking away tooo much fucking potential
it wouldnt be difficult,

icycalm
I have 100% commitment
I will keep the server going for YEARS
But I will only spend 30 minutes a week to award the points
THAT'S how I will keep the server going for years
If I spent 5 hours a week, I would stop after a month

℣乇乂
lets say there are 200 players you split them up into their clans and add them together, it would take 30 mins at most with a calculator

icycalm
There will be THOUSANDS of players
It will be the number 1 server in the world

℣乇乂
woah calm down there

icycalm
That is my goal, and I know I can achieve it

℣乇乂
even so, get someone to do it, and as I said make the server private, just the clan so not nakeds so not thousands of players
ok ok
do whatever you want

icycalm
If I make the server private, it will never fill up
We want a 400-500 pop server, nearly full all week
We want the maximum map size

[icycalm]

℣乇乂
all im going to say if you taking away to much potential. the server is now pretty much like a normal server, the sever can/and probs wills run like any other server until the last day where you place down signs split you members up and protect the signs to get onto a lealderboard, which doesnt even have any prizes or anything./

icycalm
I understand that you think this
I think something else
Let's try it and see what happens
Then we can talk again in a couple of weeks
If what you say happens, we will change the rules

℣乇乂
how much are you willing to pay

icycalm
I guarantee it

℣乇乂
you want to become the no.1 server
im not sure you know what your in for

icycalm
You might be right

℣乇乂
1. YOU WILL NOT MAKE PROFIT.

icycalm
lol

℣乇乂
2. YOU WILL BE HATED.
3. YOU CAN NOT DO IT SOLO.
4. YOU WILL HAVE TO SPEND SO MUCH MONEY ON DDOS ETC.

icycalm
That's good information

℣乇乂
5. YOU WILL ALWAYS GET DDOSSED.
6. YOU WILL NEED TO BE MUCH MORE ACTIVE.
7. You will needs heaps of help

icycalm
I already have help, and I have people lined up to help
But I will add people slowly
When problems arise, I will face them
I expect problems

℣乇乂
You have enought money to pay probs a thousand + dollars a week for a server which doesnt get ddossed as easily

icycalm
I see
Right now, no, we don't have that money

℣乇乂
and ill be honest you probs wont get that money from donations

icycalm
We will try all solutions
If we fail, so be it
But we will try
I am not sure what you expect me to tell you
You want me to quit?

℣乇乂
no
i just want you to know what you into

icycalm
A leader of a big clan told me some of this stuff

℣乇乂
good
good 4 u

icycalm
We will see how it goes
With all these people advising me, I think I will be in good shape

℣乇乂
good luck
you gotta compete with all the other big servers, is the server australian?

icycalm
It's in Chicago
We want international clan wars

℣乇乂
so you compete with 100 different other servers

icycalm
So the US is between the EU and AU
None of the other servers have a leaderboard
Clans want competition
They want points
We will get all the clans

℣乇乂
forget about the ufkcing leaderboard 1/2 of the people dont care

icycalm
We got 12 clans in 3 days
In 3 months we will have all the clans
You can quote me on this

℣乇乂
you want to know hwy
the reason why most of the clans joined is obvious
it was a small saturday comp one which last for like 1 or 2 days for a bit of fun and to compete now its a full you have to committ type of server personally my clan probs wont play it since you have completely changed it
We thought we were gonna just have a bit of fun on a saturday server to meme around for a day or two with a bit of competition

icycalm
I see

℣乇乂
now the server is a full you have to commit get ready to get offlined type of server
how old are you? just curious.

icycalm
39

℣乇乂
hmm

icycalm
For us, our server was never a "side game"
It is the main dish
I understand that some clans thought we were planning something small
But we were simply trying to find the best way to make something big
We think that all the other servers are boring, with no endgame
We want to make a server that is the ultimate place for clans to gather
If this is not right for your clan, so be it
Perhaps you will reconsider in the future

℣乇乂
WHEN IT WAS WIPING ON SAT GOING FOR 2 DAYS AND IT WAS LEGIT A COMPETITIVE MINI GAME THING IT WAS A "SIDE GAME"
caps (edited)

icycalm
In your view, not in mine

℣乇乂
in pretty much every clans view

icycalm
You said it was to "meme around for a day or two"
Then they misunderstood us

℣乇乂
which is expected

icycalm
Plus, I have talked with clans who think like me
Including the biggest clan here: NOR
Its leader knows all the other big clans
He is super-excited about our server, and is trying to get the other leaders here
He will give us the different point values for the monuments
We don't have the experience to make this decision
Him and all his friends have 2000+ hours

℣乇乂
i ahve 4000 hours
hours dont matter that much

icycalm
I have 150
So, for me, they matter

℣乇乂
if you got otver a 1000 you can be better than a 400 hour guy
not even 1000
500

℣乇乂
pvp has changed 100 times i have only put 500 hours into the whole new pvp system with recoil and etc someone with 800 hours can easily be better than me
its just game sense that i have from my hours

[icycalm]

℣乇乂
"We want to make a server that is the ultimate place for clans to gather" (edited)
how are u making this so?

icycalm
The NOR leader told me he shit his pants when he saw the leaderboard
I shit my pants when I thought about it
I want an endgame
The other servers don't have one
That's why I only played 150 hours
Because without an endgame Rust is BORING
I will get ALL the clans
Wait and see

℣乇乂
you have 150 hours on rust i dont think you understand

icycalm
You may be right
I will still try my ideas though
Because I like them
And I want to see if I can achieve them

℣乇乂
all you have atm is that we have a leaderboard
people have competitiveness on other servers with beef and non stop trash talk on forums and stuff the only different is that this server has something that you have to worry about for the last 3 hours of wipe and a leaderboard!
most people wont play when it reaches monday most of the big clans go play upsurge or some other server that wipes monday or they just simply quit...

icycalm
I think so too
But CULT will keep playing :)
If we get all the points, so be it

℣乇乂
wowie thats a real great response
my clan will get all the points!!! HEHE SOD BE IT!!!

icycalm
It's a joke
Lighten up

℣乇乂
then give me a proper reponse
all you have atm is that we have a leaderboard
people have competitiveness on other servers with beef and non stop trash talk on forums and stuff the only different is that this server has something that you have to worry about for the last 3 hours of wipe and a leaderboard!
most people wont play when it reaches monday most of the big clans go play upsurge or some other server that wipes monday or they just simply quit...

icycalm
The competitive people want a leaderboard
They will flock to it
If you don't believe this, wait and see

℣乇乂
Nobody will give a fuck about a leaderboard fi they have to play the whole wipe

icycalm
I disagree
But we will find out for sure in a few weeks time

℣乇乂
you may not understand this since you have low hours but here the fact with your server. You server is like every other server except there is something you have to do 2 hours b4 the wipe when its dead AND IT HAS A LEADERBOARD WOOO!!!!
The fact is that servers DIE ON A MONDAY. All the clans raid each other and quit and go play upsurge or something, and the clans which raided all of the them no longer have pvp and quit to and it results in a bunch of randoms running around on the server past monday (edited)

icycalm
Yes, I have observed that too

℣乇乂
Ok and how are you going to stop is from dying?

icycalm
I will take it one day at a time
The ones who want the points, will remain in the server
Perhaps those will be enough
We will see

℣乇乂
the server isnt going to give a shit about a leaderboard if its just 1 or 2 clans competeting on it
my fucking god

icycalm
Okay
We will find out if you are right within the next few weeks
I think you are wrong

℣乇乂
i think you are wrong

icycalm
I understand

℣乇乂
Personally I think you need to play few hundred more hours experiences clan play and how servers work to run a server

icycalm
I cannot play 1 hour more without a leaderboard, because it's boring
That's why I haven't played since May

[icycalm]

℣乇乂
THEN YOU SHOULD NOT BE PLAYING RUST.

icycalm
I am not

℣乇乂
then why are u creating this server

icycalm
But I want to play
that's why I am making my server

℣乇乂
for urself?
ok
good luck with the server
our clan probs wont play

icycalm
Thanks
I hope you change your mind

℣乇乂
maybe, maybe not. we will see how it works

icycalm
I'll be in touch

℣乇乂
we will see who is right

icycalm
I just want a fun server
If I am wrong, I will fix my error
But I will try my idea first
I won't just abandon it without even trying it

[icycalm]

Private chat with recoil on Discord.


icycalm
Man, if no one plays I sure as fuck will grab ALL the points
A few weeks of us dominating, and people will fucking play
I believe it 100%

recoil
I'm with you, it's our server and I'll be damned if I don't play on it

icycalm
I don't even need a full server
I think it is inevitable for it to get full, that's all
But I would be super happy with 5 small clans and us
I might even be happier this way than with mega-clans who fuck us up every 20 mins
I told the NOR guy this
I just don't see how we could fail to have fun

recoil
There's an end game now and it's experimental, something interesting is definitely going to happen. I don't see how those Zhang guys can be so cynical about experimentation, the whole game's development has been experimental from the beginning and is continuing to be experimented on lol.

icycalm
He just wants a different format
He doesn't like the signs
And this is just 2 players, not their leader
I haven't heard from him
He was super excited when bringing his whole clan in here
I think we have solved the problem of dead servers from Monday
Of course there will be less traffic from Monday, because people have jobs and lives
But they will keep popping back through the week, and those who have the time on Thursday will show up for the climax
We HAVE a climax!
What other server has one?
And the Zhang guy is complaining precisely because of the climax!
Moreover, Thursday is a popular day because of the wipe
The most popular day of the week
So lots of people, who have the time, ARE already online, and wasting their explosives in other servers while waiting for the wipe
But in OUR server, the action will be non-stop
Because first you have a 2-hour climax or so, then the exciting counting of points on Twitch, and then RIGHT AFTER you have the wipe and a new server
A fantastic emotional journey packed in half a day

recoil
It's going to be great and the thing I like about streaming the end result is that we'll also get a tour of the island and the base designs.

icycalm
And a fuckton of Twitch followers
If this thing does even half as well as we think, the Twitch will explode, with tons of added benefits