Cult Citizen

[icycalm]

In this thread we’ll be discussing, designing and updating our makeshift base that I talked about here: https://culture.vg/forum/topic?p=36724#p36724

Topics to discuss are location, vehicles used, vehicle layout, gear, supplies etc.

Location will be one of the earliest concerns, and it will involve us exploring as much of the Stanton system as possible to find a cool location. This will give us a great reason to jump into exploration-specialist vehicles and take our time navigating Stanton’s furthest reaches (including with ground vehicles which are seldom used): locations that we otherwise wouldn’t have reason to visit. And, of course, next year we’ll do it all again in the Pyro system.

We can discuss the location here freely and post pics because Insomnia visitors won’t know the server shard we are on. As server meshing comes online and more systems are added in the years ahead—and therefore the game gets closer to being single-shard—we’ll have to take this discussion to a private Discord channel (hidden from general visitors within the Star Citizen category; the upcoming Cult Base channel), but for the next couple of years at least we can post pics in this thread without problems.

First order of business is to decide between planets or moons. Then to pick the specific planet or moon. And finally the location.

Unfortunately it can’t be next to a river, because there are only 40 of them, and people will frequent them. And of course it can’t be anywhere near a POI. It has to be in the middle of fucking nowhere, but I would like it to be at least in a place with cool features and views. The inside of a crater, with say Ballistas and Centurions posted on the crater sides themselves seems like a cool place to me. Basically we need pictures of candidate locations.

If we do manage to set up something cool and take cool pics, I could take the pics and show them around to orgs and see if they want to settle near us, so we could take over an extended area and watch each other’s shit. With enough orgs and people involved we could have 24-hour security, and we could do Jumptowns together to make money for more hardware. It’d be a great way to filter orgs for ones we are compatible with and run combined operations NATO-style with a view to full-on org wars in Pyro next year and beyond.

[icycalm]

Couple of things I realized about Cult Base.

First off, it seems with 3.18 you’re no longer limited to spawning three ships. This means you can lay down your entire fleet in one location and walk around it as in the in-game hangars they used to have before they removed them (PTVs and Mules will be useful here for moving around). Imagine seeing a row of all our fighters and scrambling to jump into them for going on some mission. This seems to be possible now.

Second, if you have a Carrack or 890J with their on-board hospitals, you can set them as spawn points and avoid all station hassle. Some people prefer to use space stations over planetary landing zones, because they can take off faster from them, but you can take off even faster from Cult Base since there are no elevators, hangars, or ATC.

[icycalm]

One of the issues people have with trying to build bases at this state of the game is that it's hard to get back into the same shard once you log off. CR has actually said one of the things they're working on in the short-term is a shard manager that lets you queue up for any shard you want, but he said that like a year ago and it's still not in. In the meantime, I think a great solution is to have a cheap computer logged into a clone and sitting at the base 24/7. This first of all means that your HQ ship won't disappear since the character will never log off, but it also means that your clan mates can always get into the shard by joining the clone's session. It really doesn't take much money to have one old computer or something like a Steam Deck running 24/7. You can get a mouse wiggler to avoid getting automatically logged off by the server (I've been meaning to make a thread on mouse wigglers, but there's also software that does this, though it's less reliable).

I need to do this asap. It will make the game so much more interesting.

[icycalm]

Just saw this on Reddit. It's especially interesting to me because he assumes the land claims that came with old Pioneer pledges and are still available with the $15k Praetorian Pack and up will function differently to the aUEC land claims that most players will have, conferring important benefits. And now that Adjudicator bought the Praetorian Pack [ > ] we have one! I was gagging for that pack only for the Idris-M, but now I am glad it also gives us a permanent free land claim and look forward to figuring out how to best utilize it to gain an advantage over the pleb players who won't have one.

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/co ... nstruction

Some Thoughts on the Impact of Base Construction on Fleets

Preface. Base construction is a vast and complex system that significantly impacts fleet operations. It can be divided into three phases: the construction phase, the production phase, and the expansion phase. To achieve efficient base construction, resource allocation across these phases must be carefully managed. Drawing inspiration from real-world administrative and financial systems, I propose the following framework. These are personal opinions, not representative of any group, and are intended to foster discussion and optimization.

1.1 Construction Phase. The core challenge in the construction phase is land acquisition. Years ago, CIG sold "land claims," but due to high pricing and the distant timeline for base-building gameplay, player purchases were limited, with most claims capped at 4×4 units. As of 2954, the Pioneer no longer includes land claims by default. Globally, there are approximately 4,000 8×8 land claims, averaging 1–3 per fleet. These larger claims will be critical for early-stage base construction.

Cash-purchased land claims (via real currency) may differ from UEC-purchased claims, potentially offering tax reductions or other benefits. Thus, early fleets should prioritize cash-acquired 8×8 claims for permanent infrastructure (e.g., command centers, trade hubs, industrial facilities). UEC-purchased land should focus on forward outposts: defensive/offensive garrisons, troop depots, resource collection hubs, and supply relay stations (to reduce reliance on returning to the main base).

1.2 Production Phase. Once construction is complete, fleets enter the production phase. Members specialize in roles (combat, resource gathering, refining, and building defensive outposts) to accumulate resources and capital. During this phase:

• Combat targets should prioritize NPCs/AI (e.g., bounty missions). Avoid provoking conflicts with other fleets; focus on covert development without formal alliances.
  
  
• Resource gathering should prioritize materials for defense infrastructure and outpost construction, preparing for expansion.

1.3 Expansion Phase. In the expansion phase, fleets shift focus to capital deployment and territorial growth. Resource allocation tilts toward combat readiness (reducing construction investments). Expansion strategies vary by fleet and may involve morally ambiguous decisions, which this document will not detail.

2.1 Resource Allocation Across Phases**
Proposed Allocation Ratios: 10%–10%–40%–40%

2.1.1 Construction Phase

• First 10%: Permanent future production shares for land contributors. Example: A member contributing an 8×8 claim receives 2% of future output.
  
  
• Second 10%: Shares for construction labor, allocated based on contribution.
  
  
• Remaining 80%: Reserved for the fleet’s public warehouse.

2.1.2 Production Phase

• 40%: Reserved for public warehouse (funding fleet-wide activities).
  
  
• 40%: Time-limited shares distributed to contributors based on labor input.

2.1.3 Expansion Phase. Maintain production-phase ratios. Adjustments may temporarily reduce permanent shares to fund wars or expansion.

3.1 Base Location Strategy

3.1.1 Core Infrastructure

• Priority locations: High-security zones (HSZs) under UEE jurisdiction (e.g., Stanton system planets) to minimize attacks.
  
  
• Terrain:
  
  
  • Large fleets: Flat plains for scalability.
    
    
  • Small fleets: Forests, mountains, or swamps for natural concealment.

3.1.2 Layout Design

• Central Ring: City hall, residential zones, and trade hubs clustered equidistantly.
  
  
• Middle Ring: Hangars and basic warehouses interspersed near residential areas.
  
  
• Outer Ring: Industrial zones arranged circularly to act as a defensive buffer.

4.1 Security and Defense

• Central Ring: Minimal security at city hall, core warehouses, and trade routes.
  
  
• Residential Zones: Periodic surveillance systems.
  
  
• Middle/Outer Rings: Heavy defenses around hangars, warehouses, and industrial facilities to delay enemy advances.

5.1 Access Permissions

• City Hall: Concealed location, restricted to leadership.
  
  
• Core Warehouses: Hidden in obscure terrain, leadership access only.
  
  
• Residential/Hangars: Open to all members.
  
  
• Industrial Zones: Restricted to production personnel.
  
  
• Trade Hubs: Public access lanes with defenses maintained.

6.1 Counterintelligence Measures

• New Members: Limited to residential/hangar access until probation ends.
  
  
• Reporting System: Reward whistleblowers; enforce collective punishment for unreported espionage.

The replies are predictably cynical.

I think you're expecting far too much on how things will work.

Somebody finds a point of interest such as a defensible location, or area near a good or vein.

Yeah place down the claim to prevent others from claiming that area.

People come in with equipment and resources to build the infrastructure you deem needed.

When you decide to move to another location because the ore vein is gone or something. Yes salvage what you can, and abandon what you can't.

Buying location of a good ore vein from someone is just a flat upfront payment.

In my vision, the main city—that is, the fleet’s primary base, which serves as the initial hub during the early construction phase—will remain fixed in location unless exceptional circumstances arise. Regarding concerns like mineral vein depletion or resource distribution challenges you mentioned, I believe temporary outposts could be established to address these issues. However, all resources would ultimately be centralized and processed at the main base. This is just my perspective, though your points are quite valid as well.

The closest thing to "a main City" that we are going to get is a defensible location with space to fit a lot of infrastructure.

The only reason it is not abandoned quickly is because the quality of any other spots found is not so much better that it is worth setting up the infrastructure again.

The two options are that the org has members assigned to coordinate everything, and the org pays for all the work. Or, The org declares where they have decided their hub to be for people to set up their own infrastructure, and everyone would share defenses.

CIG have mentioned activities that are a massive money sink for orgs. So the orgs participating in this gameplay will need to have membership fees to get the credits to cover expenses.

So the business model is that you need to be a member in order to make use of the infrastructure. Everyone involved in the infrastructure gets paid for the work they do.

Bro has never tried to build a base on a public ARK or Rust server lol.

This is a fun but dumb reply. There are clans in Rust and ARK that work exactly like the dude spelled out. Yes they are very few, but they are huge and well-run and they will ruin your shit if you're anywhere near them.

I've played Rust for 1,000 hours and have never built a house above ground—I've only lived in cave bases, lol.

This is some fantastical level of thinking. Your vision is a decade away at best even if they go that hard on construction.

It’s gonna be a standard hanger pad or building. A standard living quarters and a farm module or storage module. Maybe two types of gun turrets and that’s it. This shit will be so bare and basic you guys are gonna lose your minds when it comes out and cry about how it wasn’t anything like your crazy imagination.

It won't be that bare. We've seen the last CitCon presentation. It will be Satisfactory-lite TO START WITH. And even RTS-lite. The dude's plan isn't daydreaming or wishful thinking. Stuff will work roughly the way he presented it for people in medium-size-and-up well-organized orgs.

So looking forwards to this as I plan to build my own industrial base.

This guy gets it. They really are going for galaxy-spanning industrial engineering, and they will succeed because CR never fails at anything, like me.

I just hope we can change our home location to our base(s).

I am sure we'll be able to.

Which brings me to a subject I am torn about. Should we use Adjudicator's cashbought land claim on his planet, Hurston, just because it's his land claim, or should we look for the best location in the entire galaxy? As Emperor I have the ultimate power to make the decision here, and obviously the most effective and efficient choice would be to look galaxy-wide, but as a leader I feel compelled to reward each player's contributions, and the best reward here would be to let Adjudicator pick a spot on Hurston.

I think we'll go with Hurston UNLESS there prove to be MASSIVE DRAWBACKS to doing so over picking another location.

And I'll close this post by embedding the base-building segment of the last CitCon. It really is VR RTS and VR Satisfactory, and everything is massive and beautiful and hyper-detailed. It will be (yet another) revolution in real-time gaming courtesy of Chris Roberts, and the dude's analysis above is by no means exaggerated or superfluous but merely a starting point for what's coming.

CitizenCon 2954: Crafting Your Home
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmwKD_f ... rFn-jDvuVr