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by icycalm » 20 Feb 2009 21:48
by icycalm » 21 Feb 2009 13:05
Jon R. wrote:competitive players are a giant fucking plague for any mod/game they touch
by Jon R. » 22 Feb 2009 11:16
by icycalm » 22 Feb 2009 11:48
by Jon R. » 22 Feb 2009 12:05
icycalm wrote:You cannot expect people to stop improving (i.e. playing) when they become better than you, just because you are not enjoying being beaten. If everyone adopted this outlook everyone would eventually had to stop playing -- even you (because there will always be players worse than you who will look up to you as being "too competitive" -- i.e. too much better than them).
by icycalm » 22 Feb 2009 12:22
Jon R. wrote:I never expected people to stop improving, nor did I ever imply that I did.
Jon R. wrote:What I took exception to was narrowing the scope of improvement and experience to insular clan play and exploits.
by WreckedAscott » 30 Mar 2009 13:21
icycalm wrote:A clarification from here: http://forum.insomnia.ac/viewtopic.php?p=8121#8121
Strictly speaking, the expression "competitive play" is a pleonasm, because all play is competitive.
I rest my case.
by icycalm » 30 Mar 2009 14:01
WreckedAscott wrote:I think the term is used because of the mindset of competitive players that the only way to enjoy the game is to win
WreckedAscott wrote:even if that means choosing a character or set of options that you dislike.
WreckedAscott wrote:What other term would you propose to describe gamers currently described as "competitive"?
by WreckedAscott » 30 Mar 2009 15:00
icycalm wrote:The only way to enjoy the game is not to win -- it is to play to win. And since everyone is playing to win by definition (that's what the verb "to play" means), everyone is already playing to win, whether they want to or not.
icycalm wrote:Good point. This broadens people's horizons. They should introduce it in schools.
icycalm wrote:Why would I propose a new term? What term other than 'bread' would you propose to describe bread? "Competitive" is just another word for "better". Our languages are already inundated with redundant words -- there's nothing to be done about it. Just realize the redundancy, and try to use words more correctly, so as not to come off as a retard when discussing things with smart people.
by icycalm » 30 Mar 2009 15:12
WreckedAscott wrote:Not necessarily.
WreckedAscott wrote:You can enjoy a game for its own sake as well as any victories you might pick up.
It's not a case of "broadening horizons" if they're forced into playing in a fashion that they've already decided they don't like.
There's obviously a need to distinguish between scrubs and the competitive crowd. That's why the terms came about in the first place.
by WreckedAscott » 30 Mar 2009 15:27
You always enjoy a game for its own sake. You always enjoy any victories you might "pick up". You always also enjoy any losses you might "pick up" (the victories in fact are only ever enjoyable because of the losses; without them, they wouldn't be enjoyable at all). So the point is to always do your best. And since everyone is always doing their best and cannot do otherwise, everyone is always doing the right thing.
You are not saying anything in that sentence.
Yes, just like the terms beautiful and ugly, hot and cold, tall and short, etc. came about. But there comes a time in a man's life when he has to stop being A FUCKING LITTLE BRAINDED RETARD, and realize that there is no opposition between these terms, that ugly is just another shade of beautiful, that hot and cold are simply different temperatures, that tall and short both refer to height -- and that "competitive" and "scrubby" both refer to different degrees of skill. There's no fundamental difference between one and the other -- no cut-off point that separates them -- it's only in language that the opposition appears, which is why it's only the braindead parrots who use language simply by mimicking others, instead of first thinking of its meaning, who become confused about it.
by icycalm » 30 Mar 2009 16:37
WreckedAscott wrote:You agree not to post any abusive, obscene, vulgar, slanderous, hateful, threatening, sexually-oriented material
That just applies to everyone on the board other than you, then?
WreckedAscott wrote:And you took an entire paragraph to say as little.
WreckedAscott wrote:By what logic is everyone always doing their best?
WreckedAscott wrote:What in the name of Christ's sacred testicles are you talking about?
WreckedAscott wrote:Of course there's a fundamental difference between hot and cold.
WreckedAscott wrote:One's hot, the other's cold.
WreckedAscott wrote:Saying of the sun that it is a different temperature to the inside of a fridge really doesn't cut it, does it?
WreckedAscott wrote:And there is a fundamental difference between the mindset of competitive players who are willing to sacrifice hours at a time
WreckedAscott wrote:And there is a fundamental difference between the mindset of competitive players who are willing to sacrifice hours at a time to learn the intricacies of a game which might allow them to win against other competitive players, and the mindset of scrubs who are perfectly happy to pick up a controller and knock someone similarly-minded around for a while.
WreckedAscott wrote:Saying that someone is a competitive player (using the original definition, the one that everyone already uses and will continue to do so) tells you something about them.
WreckedAscott wrote:It's not inaccurate
WreckedAscott wrote:as it tells you that such a player is primarily concerned with the competition aspect of a game, rather than the game itself.
WreckedAscott wrote:There's nothing wrong with the term, and it's not redundant.
by Beakman » 27 Apr 2009 02:34
by milkycha » 27 Apr 2009 05:57
by infernovia » 27 Apr 2009 08:14
competition aspect of a game, rather than the game itself
by Afterburn » 27 Apr 2009 08:27
infernovia wrote:Some people participate in sports because of the people. They aren't playing the game for the game itself (this whole phrase is redundant), they are participating in a social event.
by Molloy » 30 Apr 2009 11:51
by bunuelo » 07 May 2009 02:54
Molloy wrote:The idiots always want to turn the game on its head because they feel it's the games fault they're shit rather than some deficiency on their part.
by Warden » 07 Jul 2009 10:40
by Bradford » 07 Jul 2009 16:16
Warden wrote:He took the game totally seriously and recieved death threats for his trouble.
by Warden » 07 Jul 2009 20:36