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Unread postby icycalm » 15 Aug 2014 06:48

Yay, another Planetary Annihilation thread.

We can talk about the rankings in here, instead of messing up the other threads with it.

Basically, because recoil, Qpo and co. just registered for the ladder now that we are getting some wins, they are way ahead of Masahiro and I lol. Here's the 2v2 ladder:

http://ladder.pastats.tk/2on2

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##    Player    Games    W    L    W / L    Rating
392    CULT|recoil    3    2    1    2    2004
610    CULT|Qpo    2    1    1    1    2001
710    CULT|Masahiro9891    11    4    7    0.57    1999
920    CULT|icycalm    12    3    9    0.33    1991


(Don't know how to make the columns line up, seems complicated.)

I registered first so I have way more games than anyone else. infernovia's not on yet because he only played 4v4 games since he registered.

But hey, I am proud we have a player at #392 after a mere week of playing. Just try not to fall too much when you play more 2v2 games, recoil! (Best way to do that is to not play lol.)
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Unread postby icycalm » 15 Aug 2014 06:55

I so wish they had 3v3 and 4v4 ladders... I am going to email the owner of that site right now.
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Unread postby icycalm » 15 Aug 2014 07:02

He has a thread on the official forums, so I posted there:

https://forums.uberent.com/threads/rel- ... ost-978381

I wrote:I am sure it will have been suggested before in this large thread, but let me add my voice to those asking for 3v3 and 4v4 ladders, and even above. PA was designed for team play from the ground up, and my clan is almost exclusively playing large team games. It's a shame that we can't compare our progress to that of other clans...

Great work on the mod and the site anyways. It's been very helpful and it's been adding to the enjoyment of our games a lot.


You all have accounts on the forum, same username and password as for the game, so you could add a post on there asking for higher ladders at some point, so the dude sees that there's demand for them. Just be polite and thank him for his work (it's a mod after all), and put in the request in your own words.


EDIT: Actually, this is the thread to post in: https://forums.uberent.com/threads/rel- ... ost-981084
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Unread postby icycalm » 20 Aug 2014 06:37

In the last 12 games, I've won 7 and lost 5. These are all the games I've played since I registered with PA Stats:

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37 193317 loss August 20, 2014, 7:09 am
36 193301 won August 20, 2014, 5:32 am
35 193296 won August 20, 2014, 5:16 am
34 193279 won August 20, 2014, 3:49 am
33 193268 won August 20, 2014, 2:55 am
32 193239 loss August 20, 2014, 1:07 am
31 193220 won August 20, 2014, 12:09 am
30 191933 loss August 16, 2014, 9:57 am
29 191931 won August 16, 2014, 9:29 am
28 191905 loss August 16, 2014, 8:03 am
27 191898 loss August 16, 2014, 7:35 am
26 191817 won August 16, 2014, 3:31 am
25 191807 won August 16, 2014, 2:45 am
24 191803 loss August 16, 2014, 2:26 am
23 191789 loss August 16, 2014, 1:27 am
22 191783 loss August 16, 2014, 12:58 am
21 191773 loss August 16, 2014, 12:20 am
20 191765 loss August 15, 2014, 11:55 pm
19 191529 loss August 15, 2014, 6:59 am
18 191525 won August 15, 2014, 6:29 am
17 191521 won August 15, 2014, 5:45 am
16 191519 won August 15, 2014, 5:32 am
15 191514 loss August 15, 2014, 5:05 am
14 191492 loss August 15, 2014, 3:21 am
13 191484 loss August 15, 2014, 2:04 am
12 191474 won August 15, 2014, 1:26 am
11 191461 won August 15, 2014, 12:59 am
10 191228 loss August 14, 2014, 6:46 am
9 191209 loss August 14, 2014, 5:17 am
8 191201 loss August 14, 2014, 4:54 am
7 191197 loss August 14, 2014, 4:36 am
6 191170 loss August 14, 2014, 3:02 am
5 191162 loss August 14, 2014, 2:27 am
4 190878 loss August 13, 2014, 5:28 am
3 190872 loss August 13, 2014, 5:11 am
2 190843 loss August 13, 2014, 3:39 am
1 190827 won August 13, 2014, 2:42 am


Just today I won 5 out of 7, and one of the two losses was a silly mistake on our part (all Commanders got sniped by what appears to have been a single orbital laser within the first few minutes lol). We also played a two-planet system where we totally dominated on the big planet, and the enemies moved to the small one, which we attacked and were about to start landing on, at which point they started sending their planet on a suicidal collision with ours, and the game crashed lol. The game was not recorded at all on PA Stats.

We are getting decent.
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Unread postby Masahiro9891 » 20 Aug 2014 06:41

6 wins and 3 losses for today. And here is my record:

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42   193317   loss   August 20, 2014, 7:09 am
41   193301   won   August 20, 2014, 5:32 am
40   193296   won   August 20, 2014, 5:16 am
39   193279   won   August 20, 2014, 3:49 am
38   193268   won   August 20, 2014, 2:55 am
37   193261   loss   August 20, 2014, 2:23 am
36   193254   won   August 20, 2014, 1:58 am
35   193239   loss   August 20, 2014, 1:07 am
34   193220   won   August 20, 2014, 12:09 am
33   192157   loss   August 16, 2014, 9:43 pm
32   191979   loss   August 16, 2014, 12:35 pm
31   191960   loss   August 16, 2014, 11:47 am
30   191954   loss   August 16, 2014, 11:30 am
29   191951   loss   August 16, 2014, 11:11 am
28   191947   loss   August 16, 2014, 10:53 am
27   191939   won   August 16, 2014, 10:24 am
26   191933   loss   August 16, 2014, 9:57 am
25   191931   won   August 16, 2014, 9:29 am
24   191905   loss   August 16, 2014, 8:03 am
23   191898   loss   August 16, 2014, 7:35 am
22   191817   won   August 16, 2014, 3:31 am
21   191807   won   August 16, 2014, 2:45 am
20   191803   loss   August 16, 2014, 2:26 am
19   191789   loss   August 16, 2014, 1:27 am
18   191783   loss   August 16, 2014, 12:58 am
17   191773   loss   August 16, 2014, 12:20 am
16   191765   loss   August 15, 2014, 11:55 pm
15   191529   loss   August 15, 2014, 6:59 am
14   191525   won   August 15, 2014, 6:29 am
13   191521   won   August 15, 2014, 5:45 am
12   191519   won   August 15, 2014, 5:32 am
11   191514   loss   August 15, 2014, 5:05 am
10   191492   loss   August 15, 2014, 3:21 am
9   191484   loss   August 15, 2014, 2:04 am
8   191474   won   August 15, 2014, 1:26 am
7   191461   won   August 15, 2014, 12:59 am
6   191250   won   August 14, 2014, 8:42 am
5   191228   loss   August 14, 2014, 6:46 am
4   191209   loss   August 14, 2014, 5:17 am
3   191201   loss   August 14, 2014, 4:54 am
2   191197   loss   August 14, 2014, 4:36 am
1   191170   loss   August 14, 2014, 3:02 am


Many of the losses are from 2v2 games.
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Unread postby Qpo » 20 Aug 2014 10:27

http://ladder.pastats.tk/player/63908

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##   GameID                Game started
25   193279   won    August 20, 2014, 3:49 am
24   193268   won    August 20, 2014, 2:55 am
23   193261   loss   August 20, 2014, 2:23 am
22   193254   won    August 20, 2014, 1:58 am
21   193239   loss   August 20, 2014, 1:07 am
20   193220   won    August 20, 2014, 12:09 am
19   192058   won    August 16, 2014, 5:25 pm
18   192047   won    August 16, 2014, 4:59 pm
17   191979   loss   August 16, 2014, 12:35 pm
16   191960   loss   August 16, 2014, 11:47 am
15   191954   loss   August 16, 2014, 11:30 am
14   191951   loss   August 16, 2014, 11:11 am
13   191947   loss   August 16, 2014, 10:53 am
12   191939   won    August 16, 2014, 10:24 am
11   191933   loss   August 16, 2014, 9:57 am
10   191817   won    August 16, 2014, 3:31 am
9    191807   won    August 16, 2014, 2:45 am
8    191803   loss   August 16, 2014, 2:26 am
7    191789   loss   August 16, 2014, 1:27 am
6    191783   loss   August 16, 2014, 12:58 am
5    191773   loss   August 16, 2014, 12:20 am
4    191765   loss   August 15, 2014, 11:55 pm
3    191492   loss   August 15, 2014, 3:21 am
2    191488   won    August 15, 2014, 2:32 am
1    191485   loss   August 15, 2014, 2:06 am


6 wins in my last 8 games. Highest win streak: 3.
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Unread postby icycalm » 20 Aug 2014 19:52

The reason we all have different win/loss ratios, for people reading this who are not playing the game, is because we don't usually all play together at the same time. Sometimes it's me, recoil and Masahiro, sometimes Masahiro, Qpo and infernovia, etc.
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Unread postby Qpo » 07 Sep 2014 03:23

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Unread postby icycalm » 07 Sep 2014 03:43

A proud day, after all.
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Unread postby icycalm » 23 Sep 2014 19:39

The PA Stats ladder is messed up and no one should pay attention to it. It bears no relation to reality. For more details read all my posts in this thread: https://forums.uberent.com/threads/ther ... nes.64497/
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Unread postby Masahiro9891 » 24 Sep 2014 05:30

https://forums.uberent.com/conversations/about-the-ladder-issue.44455/

cola_colin wrote:If you are interested into discussing improvements on the 2vs2 ladder without going aggressive on people as you did in your first post, you can mention them in this thread:
https://forums.uberent.com/threads/rel-planetary-automatic-ladder.54692/
The main issue with the 2vs2 ladder is that only very very few 2vs2 games happen where all 4 players use PA Stats anyway. In my opinion the 2vs2 ladder is nothing but a little joke, it's pretty meaningless because it indeed doesn't really work. PA Stats isn't really about ladders as pastats.com itself doesn't provide a ladder at all, any ladders that exist are 3rd party projects that only are based on data from PA Stats.
The 1vs1 ladder is btw more meaningful, as it only rates games which had both players use PA Stats. For 1vs1 there are enough players for that to work out.

Another hint about PA Stats itself: You do not need to enable it on all your games. When you start a game there is a checkbox directly above the big start button that allows you to disable it. You'll only need to enable it for the tournament matches.


To understand what he means in the first sentence see the link by icy above. The problem here is that all we care about is the 2v2 ladder. No one except infernovia I believe even has a 1v1 ranking, so him calling the 2v2 ladder a joke is disheartening since it means the chances of us getting 3v3, 4v4, 5v5, etc. that works properly is small. Hopefully as more people get PA stats the 2v2 ladder will start being taken more seriously, and they will eventually even include 3v3, 4v4, all the way to 10v10 rankings.
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Unread postby icycalm » 24 Sep 2014 05:35

I don't think it's practical or even desirable to have a hundred different ladders. And what about 2v2v2? Or 1v3v7v2? It would be ridiculous. They just need to give each player an OVERALL ranking, not merely a 1v1 ranking, and then also a ranking for clans. Two ladders -- that's all this game needs.

What did you write that they deleted? They deleted a couple of my posts two. God forbid anyone says anything against modders. You can curse God himself if you want, but if you open your mouth against modders you are gone.
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Unread postby icycalm » 24 Sep 2014 05:36

P.S. The link you gave is useless to us. It is a private conversation between you and a mod and no one else can read it.
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Unread postby Masahiro9891 » 24 Sep 2014 05:49

Cola_colin is referring to my only post in the thread (it actually didn't get deleted).

I wasn't sure if the link would work, so that's why I copied and pasted the private message he sent me.
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Unread postby icycalm » 24 Sep 2014 05:57

Your post was deleted. Check your profile. Zero posts.

You are probably having the same problem I am, which is that I can see my post when I am logged in, but when I log out I can't. Which means that no one else can see my deleted post in that thread except me. Here it is. (There is another one that was deleted but it's not worth posting here. I was simply snapping back a one-liner at some moron who said something stupid.)

I wrote:To give you an idea of how much grief the ladder has caused us, at one point I was considering the idea that the modders had gone into the stats manually and added all those fake games to my account to make me look bad because they don't like my posts in the forum. We were actually discussing this possibility on our Mumble server. My friend Masahiro became so dejected at those tons of fake games that were appearing under his name, and at the fact that dozens of players with no wins whatsoever were being placed above him, that he even considered not playing PA again for a while. He preferred to not even discuss the subject. I can get him in here to tell you this himself if you would like, but unlike me he prefers to avoid the aggravation.


Quickly post yours before it disappears even for you.
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Unread postby Masahiro9891 » 24 Sep 2014 06:02

Ok I didn't realize that. Here it is:

I wrote:So I'm also a member of The Cult also. Here's the problem guys: it makes no sense for you to lose ranking to people NOT on PAstats. What is essentially happening is someone who I can not effect at all on the leader board is having an effect on my ranking. While if tomorrow that person were to download PAstats he would start out at 0 wins/loses. So now I'm much lower in rank then I probably should be because one guy on PAstats has only one game which he lost and, though I have a better record, I'm lower because I lost to people who PAstats don't even count. I don't care that I lost you see, I care that the loss makes no sense. The only way to fix this is to only get rankings for people who also have PAstats, then you could have losses, but if those losses weren't from people on PAstats they wouldn't hurt your ranking. This would help y'all out as well by hopefully getting more people onto the ladder.

The other problem is me and clan can't just simply not use PAstats because we need it in order to participate in the Clan Wars tournament. So we are now stuck using a program that if we had the choice we'd remove it until it gets fixed or Uber came out with theirs. But this isn't an option either, so we are left feeling exasperated by your incompetence to get the ladder straight, hence why we are annoyed.

cptconundrum wrote:Even if you do find that there is an error, you have no right to act like this about it. These people (there are several) have put a lot of time into making this and their work has become the foundation for an entire community. If you have a problem with some part of it, either politely point it out or make something better yourself. It isn't ok to just complain about PA Stats/PA Stats ladder and their creators.


Look dude I don't care about you or the people who made the ladder; I care that it doesn't work, get it. You don't even exist to me, you might as well be an AI bot for all I care; it wouldn't change anything. What I care about is you ******* with my fun. That's what the problem is. Your stupidity in being unable to implement a important feature into the game is what's so annoying, and the reason we don't trust you. If you and your buddies don't have the time it takes to make it work properly, then bow out gracefully or try and find someone who does. If you were making a modding feature for me or icy personally I can understand why you might be upset with our tone, but you aren't. You CHOSE to make a mod; You CHOSE to publish it for everyone to use, and now you get what's coming to you, the praise and the blame.

And to top it off, if you want to make this "the foundation for an entire community" it needs to work correctly. If the foundation to a house is **** the whole house will be also. What you're trying to do is nothing compared to what the Uber guys did, ie create the best RTS to date. Yet you can't do your little job correctly, so why should Uber trust you enough by putting their name beside y'alls. Especially with something as important as the ladder and matchmaking.

tl;dr fix the ladder please. That's all we care about.


And I should have specified in my original post that cola_colin's message to me was a PM, sorry.
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Unread postby icycalm » 24 Sep 2014 06:05

lol I can see why they deleted it and locked the thread. Good job. You are learning.
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Unread postby icycalm » 24 Sep 2014 06:07

That conundrum guy is one of the tournament organizers by the way lol.
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Unread postby icycalm » 24 Sep 2014 06:08

We should get 20 people to go on their forum all with CULT banners in their signatures, and upvote each others' posts until they ban us all. Something to do on a slow day.
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Unread postby icycalm » 20 Dec 2014 05:54

Just got ranked after my first five ranked 1v1s. Won 4 lost 1, rank Gold. Platinum and Uber are the two higher ones, so I am gunning for them now. Will keep playing 1v1s as long as there's no one to play with me, but if you see me playing message me on Steam and I'll quit to play with you. I am only doing this because there's no one else to play with now (though I have to admit I am liking it more and more as I play -- and as long as I am climbing lol).
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Unread postby icycalm » 20 Dec 2014 06:13

Won the very next game, and got bumped up to Platinum. Uber here I come. There's supposed to be only a few dozen Uber players... Doesn't seem right for the ubermensch to not be one of them.
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Unread postby icycalm » 14 Sep 2017 19:43

This is river's ladder: http://river.flubbateios.com/

No idea where it gets the data from, but it ranks every single player playing Ranked, as opposed to Uber's ladder, which only gives you the rank for the top 10 players of every tier.

Going by that ladder, Rory is around 400 and I am around 1000 lol. You can search for CULT with your browser's Find function and find all of us.

If you click on your name you get your complete Ranked match history.

And this is the full ladder, with 15,000 names on it: http://river.flubbateios.com/Home/FullLadder
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Unread postby icycalm » 07 Dec 2017 10:56

We are switching to a new Clan Wars format from this week. For more details see the PA channel in Discord.

We need to establish an internal ranking, to be able to determine who plays. This means monthly internal PA 1v1 tournaments. It's okay if very few players want to participate. I just want to play PA, and I will play it with whoever is game, or alone if necessary.

The matches can take place at any time during the week. Just report your results here. Everyone plays with everyone else, and then we count the points. Post here to say that you are participating, and then talk to each other on Discord to arrange your games. When you have your result, report it here. Try to stream your games, if possible (and I realize that it won't always be possible), so that if a dispute arises, I can arbitrate it.

We have until the end of December to play all our games for this month. The planet for this month will be Elysium. I'll post the .pas file later today. For future months we will sometimes have small or medium-sized planets, to test ourselves in all conditions. Maybe we'll do two-planet systems too sometimes, probably not more than that.
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Unread postby ChevRage » 07 Dec 2017 18:24

I'm in.
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Unread postby Some guy » 11 Dec 2017 13:45

I'm in.
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