NFG sent me a PM which I will reply to in here, because we really need to get this over with if we are ever to do some useful work in this place:
NFG wrote:Posted here 'cause I'm not sure if your "this discussion is over" comment refers to the pixel conversation or the conversation-conversation.
My discussion tactic is typically to hit people with a blunt object then tell them why I did it. "That's foolish logic, and here's why."
As near as I can tell that's what I've done with this recap thing.
As I've said from the very start, I respect recap's decision to love his style of screenshottery, but I am totally convinced the logic he uses to justify the opinion is spurious.
Seems to me I've followed your rules.
I don't even know where to start, man. This is absolutely tragic.
First off, it is a fact that you went out of your way to insult him repeatedly in your posts. I can quote at the very least a dozen barbs/direct insults. AT THE VERY LEAST.
Now whether these barbs/insults were meant as jokes is irrelevant, because the important thing is how they were taken. This is why joking around with strangers on the internet is foolish -- because you can never be sure how they will take your "jokes".
And why should Recap, or anyone else in this forum, keep talking to you in a rational manner if you are calling them silly and telling them that they are full of crap?
You like to hit people with blunt objects and then tell them that their logic is foolish?
Well, I have news for you, man: your discussion tactics are retarded and YOUR logic is foolish. Recap made a number of perfectly valid points which you clearly did not understand, did not bother to ask for clarification, and went on to dismiss in the most offhand manner you could possibly muster. He was wrong to respond with incoherent shouts of "horseshit", he should have instead simply posted 'This discussion is now over" and walked out, but under the circumstances you can't quite blame him.
And again I repeat, it is not clear to anyone here but you that Recap's views on the subject are silly, and that his arguments are without merit. Is it really that hard for you to respond in a rational, respectful manner? Do you absolutely HAVE to insult the other person's intelligence when you are discussing something with them? I mean, look, here is one of your posts:
NFG wrote:1. You're full of crap, recap.
2. Our definitions of pixel art seem to differ. I wrote a book on pixel art, and the images in it are no less pixel art because they don't meet your standard for display.
When I moved to Australia I looked for two months to find the best wide flatscreen TV available. And do you know what the salesman thought when I demanded a CRT with RGB inputs? He thought I was completely loopy.
I know the value of scanlines and a real CRT. I also know you're full of crap.
But it's a good crap. Your mind is defective but your heart's in the right place. Cheers.
Totally unacceptable, and if it was coming from anyone other than you I'd have immediately IP banned him, but look how easy it is to say the EXACT SAME THINGS without sending the other person into a murderous rage of seething hatred:
NFG wrote:I am sorry Recap, but I disagree. Our definitions of pixel art seem to differ. I wrote a book on pixel art, and the images in it are no less pixel art because they don't meet your standard for display.
When I moved to Australia I looked for two months to find the best wide flatscreen TV available. And do you know what the salesman thought when I demanded a CRT with RGB inputs? He thought I was completely loopy.
So I know the value of scanlines and a real CRT.
And again we come back to the issue of respect. Having discussions with people you do not respect is a waste of time, because you have nothing to gain by them. Recap's conclusions are based on a deep knowledge of the subject, as are yours, and he arrived at them after a lot of reflection, as did you. For that fact alone your arguments and his both deserve to be given serious consideration, and both you and he deserve to be respected. Me, Macaw and Josh understand this, and that's why we never called either of you stupid, nor your arguments foolish. Now if the two of you are not prepared to afford the same amount of respect to each other that we afford you, then you will please do me a favor and stop replying to each other's posts altogether.
Also:
NFG wrote:Seems to me I've followed your rules.
These are not my rules -- these are the rules of conversation. Once the first personal insult is introduced in a discussion, the discussion is over. Everything else after that point is horseshitting.