Chronology of turn-based SRPGs

[icycalm]

http://insomnia.ac/archive/genres/srpg_turn-based/

[Molloy]

1991
XX/XX [MD] Langrisser (ラングリッサー, Rangurissā)

1994
14/04 [MD] Langrisser II

1996
25/10 [PS] Vandal Hearts (ヴァンダルハーツ)

1999
07/08 [PS] Vandal Hearts II (Vandal Hearts II: Tenjo no Mon)

There are a few other turn based strategy RPGs on MD but they're Western. Is there going to be a separate list for those? Please delete anyway if not necessary.

1990
XX/XX [MD] Buck Rogers: Countdown to Doomsday

1992
XX/XX [MD] Dungeons and Dragons: Warriors of the Eternal Sun

[icycalm]

I added a couple dozen more games and the first two Langrissers. My laptop's battery is running out, so I'll add more tomorrow. As for including Western games... I am still thinking about this. I knew it would come up, but I still haven't made up my mind.

[Marble]

1994
21/01 [SFC] Fire Emblem: Monshō no Nazo (ファイアーエムブレム　紋章の謎)

1996
14/05 [SFC] Fire Emblem: Seisen no Keifu (ファイアーエムブレム　聖戦の系譜)

1997
XX/XX [SFC Satellaview Attachment] BS Fire Emblem: Akaneia Senki (BS ファイアーエムブレム　アカネイア戦記)

1999
01/09 [SFC] Fire Emblem: Thracia 776 (ファイアーエムブレム　トラキア776)

2002
29/03 [GBA] Fire Emblem: Fūin no Tsurugi (ファイアーエムブレム　封印の剣)

2003
30/01 [PS2] Makai Senki Disugaia (魔界戦記 ディスガイア) / Disgaea: Hour of Darkness
25/04 [GBA] Fire Emblem Rekka no Ken (ファイアーエムブレム 烈火の剣) / Fire Emblem

2004
22/01 [PS2] Phantom Brave (ファントム・ブレイブ)
07/10 [GBA] Fire Emblem: Seima no Kōseki (ファイアーエムブレム 聖魔の光石) / Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones

2005
20/04 [GC] Fire Emblem: Sōen no Kiseki (ファイアーエムブレム 蒼炎の軌跡) / Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance

2006
23/02 [PS2] Makai Senki Disugaia Tsū (魔界戦記ディスガイア2) / Disgaea 2: Cursed Memories

2007
22/02 [Wii] Fire Emblem: Akatsuki no Megami (ファイアーエムブレム　暁の女神) / Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn

2008
31/01 [PS3] Makai Senki Disugaia Surī (魔界戦記ディスガイア3) / Disgaea 3: Absence of Justice

The following are remakes/updated ports.

2004
XX/XX [GBA] Shining Force: Resurrection of the Dark Dragon

2006
30/11 [PSP] Disgaea: Afternoon of Darkness

2008
07/07 [DS] Fire Emblem: Shin Ankoku Ryū to Hikari no Ken (ファイアーエムブレム　新・暗黒竜と光の剣) / Fire Emblem: Shadow Dragon
26/08 [DS] Disgaea DS (魔界戦記ディスガイア 魔界の王子と赤い月)

2009
26/03 [PSP] Disgaea 2: Dark Hero Days

[icycalm]

Yeah, I am of course aware of the Fire Emblem games, the Disgaea series, etc. I just haven't got round to adding them yet. I am looking more for people to contribute stand-alone games I might have missed, or missing entries in series which I have already listed, like the Shining Force GBA remake, for example. Thanks for the effort anyway.

[Marble]

Yeah, I am of course aware of the Fire Emblem games, the Disgaea series, etc.

Yeah I figured, just thought I'd save you the effort of copy pasting a bunch of information. Point taken though.

[icycalm]

You are not saving me any effort because I double-check all information anyway (through the official sites and Japanese Wikipedia). Besides, your transliteration of Japanese titles was embarrasingly awful. "Disugaea" lol.

[icycalm]

Series-wise, I have now fully covered the following:

Fire Emblem, Shining Force, Final Fantasy Tactics, Vandal Hearts, Summon Night, Luminous Arc

Or at least I think I have. If I am missing any installments let me know.

Up next, in the following order:

Makai Senki Disgaea, Black/Matrix, Front Mission, Sakura Taisen, Langrisser, Nippon Ichi games, Sting games, Idea Factory games, Super Robot Taisen

I will leave Super Robot Taisen for the end, because there's like a billion of them and god help me trying to list them all.

[icycalm]

Finished with the Disgaea series and all the original Langrisser releases. Here's a gem I came across on lolpedia:

Most reviewers say that Disgaea 3 received a lower score than its predecessors Disgaea and Disgaea 2 because there was little improvement to the graphics over its predecessors, despite being on the Playstation 3 while its predecessors are on the Playstation 2 platform. It is worth noting, however, that reviewers have praised the new innovations to the battle system and have often stated that it is the best of the trilogy, despite the lower scores.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disgaea

[icycalm]

Finished the Black/Matrix series, and as far as I know all of Flight-Plan's games. List is starting to look respectable.

[icycalm]

Finished with the Front Missions.

[icycalm]

Finished all the versions of Sakura Taisen 1 and 2 (except the PC ports, which I will add later). I think these are the only SRPG installments in the series...

[icycalm]

Finished Nippon Ichi, but I need to recheck everything from the official sites (I only copied over the Japanese Wikipedia's info).

2007 seems to have been the genre's best year so far, by the way, both in terms of quantity and probably even quality. I never realized that. And then 2008 and 2009 look like the absolute worst years ever, considering also that 2007 featured Flight-Plan's last 2D game, whereas their 2008 and 2009 releases are cheap-looking 3D games. It's funny how the best year can be immediately followed by the worst. I guess developers became too tired and phoned the next two years in.

[icycalm]

About a third of the way through Idea Factory -- there's like a billion of these games. I think I might take a break here and make a proper archive page for this. Pretty much all of the important games have been covered anyway.

[srpgfan]

2001
May 24 [PS] Tear Ring Saga Yutona Eiyū Senki (ティアリングサーガ ユトナ英雄戦記)

2004
November 25 [GBA] Game Boy Wars Advance 1+2 ()

2005
June 23 [DS] Famicom Wars DS () / Advance Wars: Dual Strike
May 26 [PS2] Tear Ring Saga: Berwick Saga ()

2007
October 02 [DS] Konchuu Wars (昆虫ウォーズ) / Drone Tactics
September 20 [PSP] R-Type Tactics (アールタイプ タクティクス) / R-Type Command

2008
November 01 [DS] Varukirī Purofairu Toga o Seou Mono (ヴァルキリープロファイル 咎を背負う者) / Valkyrie Profile: Covenant of the Plume
December 04 [DS] Eiyuu Senki Laevatein () / Laevatein Tactics
January 21 [DS] Famicom Wars DS 2 () / Advance Wars: Days of Ruin (this is the US release date, it isn't released in Japan yet)
April 24 [PS3] Senjou no Valkyria (戦場のヴァルキュリア) / Valkyria Chronicles


2009
January 15 [DS] Megami Ibunroku Devil Survivor (女神異聞録デビルサバイバー) / Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Survivor


US/Europe only releases:

2001
September 09 [GBA] Advance Wars

2003
June 24 [GBA] Advance Wars 2: Black Hole Rising

2006
February 14 [DS] Age of Empires: The Age of Kings

2007
November 07 [DS] Panzer Tactics DS

2008
November 24 [DS] Age of Empires: Mythologies

Ongoing open source development game:
The Battle for Wesnoth http://wesnoth.org

[icycalm]

"srpgfan" lol. And yet you have no idea what an SRPG is!

Also, next person who posts shit like "Varukirī Purofairu" will be banned. Instbanned with no appeal. This shit is beyond retarded.

And don't fucking repost games that are already on the list. READ THE GODDAMN LIST FIRST before posting.

Jesus.

[srpgfan]

Would you please tell me which one(s) I listed aren't SRPGs?

Sorry about the translations, just got them from wikipedia.

[icycalm]

They are not "translations", they are transliterations. Look it up in a dictionary and you'll learn something.

As for the other question, are you fucking joking me? Age of Empires? AGE OF FUCKING EMPIRES? A TURN-BASED SRPG?

Go away dude. Go back to gamefaqs or wherever. This place is not for you.

[srpgfan]

Those two games are turn based tactics/SRPG spinoffs of the main series.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Emp ... e_of_Kings
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Emp ... ythologies

[icycalm]

lol, I didn't know that. I simply assumed they would be shitty ports, so I ignored them. From the Wikipedia description, however, they still don't seem to qualify as SRPGs since, from what I can see, you only have one hero. And can this hero level? If he can't they are definitely not SRPGs. Even if he can it's still borderline, since there is only a single hero. Moreover, again judging from the Wikipedia page, the games seem to include larger-scale strategic elements, like the regular AoE games (which I am familiar with), so again they don't count as SRPGs.

As for the rest of your suggestions, Intelligent Systems' Wars games are turn-based Tactics, NOT SRPGs, and so is R-Type Tactics. Tear Ring Saga and Berwick Saga, meanwhile, are ALREADY ON THE LIST. As for the rest of them:

Senjou no Valkyria: I need to play this game in order to decide on its genre. There's just too much action in it to simply straight away categorize it as an SRPG.

Panzer Tactics and Konchuu Wars: I know very little about these games, but from what I know they don't seem to me to be SRPGs -- they are probably just Tactics games. I'll look more into them later on at some point. Same goes for Wesnoth, which is a Western game, and you always have to be very careful with those, because the SRPG genre is Japanese, and Western games in that mold tend to have many features that exclude them from it.

Which leaves us Valkyrie Profile DS, Laevatein and Devil Survivor DS. I'll add these in the next update -- thanks.

[icycalm]

And excuse me for my outburst. I just have a very short fuse sometimes.

[srpgfan]

My apologies for my errors. Your list looks great so far.

I don't believe the heroes in the Age of Empires DS games can level up, no.

R-Type Tactics does feature upgrading and building units in between missions. There aren't any unique units or individual people/heroes, I believe. So I'm not sure where that would fall in the SRPG or turn based tactics categories.

Panzer Tactics and Konchuu Wars both have level ups, individual characters and RPG-like elements in between missions.

[icycalm]

I have reviewed R-Type Tactics, so I know what I am talking about:

http://insomnia.ac/reviews/playstationp ... petactics/

The pilots level, yes, but they don't gain any new abilities or anything. It's really a straight-up Tactics game.

Let me clear something up for you: SRPGs are a subgenre of Tactics games. So ALL SRPGs are Tactics games but not all Tactics games are SRPGs. The heroes make the difference. And any game which includes base-building, resource-gathering etc. is neither an SRPG nor a Tactics game -- regardless of what is says on the box. It is a STRATEGY game.

I am writing a very comprehensive article about these distinctions, so it should all become extremely clear pretty soon.

Panzer Tactics and Konchuu Wars both have level ups, individual characters

Fair enough, I'll look into it and consider them for inclusion. As for this:

and RPG-like elements in between missions.

I can guarantee that they include no such thing. Perhaps it would be a good idea if you read the following two essays at some point -- before posting about "RPG-like elements" on this forum again, at any rate:

http://insomnia.ac/commentary/on_role-playing_games/
http://insomnia.ac/commentary/the_rpg_conundrum/

[icycalm]

Still working on it, but I think it doesn't look bad for a start:

http://insomnia.ac/archive/genres/srpg_turn-based/

[srpgfan]

Thanks for the clarification. With that definition in mind, I have a few more suggestions. None of the transliterations are mine so apologies if they suck.

1993
November 12 [Sega CD] Dark Wizard

1994
Jan 28 [SNES] Majin Tensei
October 28 [SNES] FEDA: The Emblem of Justice
December 22 [SNES] Power of the Hired

1995
July 21 [SAT] Riglord Saga / Mystaria
September 01 [SNES] Battle Robot Retsuden
February 19 [SNES] Majin Tensei II: Spiral Nemesis

1996
May 24 [SAT] FEDA Remake! Emblem of Justice
November 08 [SAT] Riglord Saga 2
December 26 [SAT] Terra Phantastica

1997
April 18 [SAT] FEDA 2: White Surge the Platoon
October 30 [SAT] Ronde (this is the 3rd entry in the Majin Tensei series http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majin_Tensei)

1998
September 06 [SAT] Wachenroder
July 30 [PS] Epica Stella / Vanguard Bandits

1999
November 11 [PS] Saiyuki / Saiyuki: Journey West

2000
August 10 [PS2] Velvet File / Robot Warlords

2001
July 05 [WSC] Blue Wing Blitz
December 20 [PS] Hoshigami: Shizumiyuku Aoki Daichi / Hoshigami: Ruining Blue Earth

2004
October 28 [PS2] Stella Deus
December 22 [GBA] Lord of the Rings: Uchitsu Kuni Daisanki / The Lord of the Rings, The Third Age

2005
September 09 [PS2] Rhapsodia / Suikoden Tactics

2007
May 24 [DS] Hoshigami / Hoshigami: Ruining Blue Earth Remix
April 26 [PS2] Elvandia Story

US/Europe only:

2005
November 08 [PSP] The Lord of the Rings: Tactics
September 06 [GBA] Rebelstar: Tactical Command

2007
September 14 [PSP] Dungeons & Dragons Tactics


Arc the Lad series of games - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arc_the_lad
There's like 5 games in this series.