substance wrote:AshfordPride wrote:Why would I want to exist in a death camp
Dying is good. Besides, you could, I dunno, ESCAPE from the place? Manage the concentration camp? Help people escape without being caught? Hell, if we ever get to the degree where you're able to, you can live through the harshest putative circumstances to see if you can do it.
The possibilities are endless.
AshfordPride wrote:Games are fun. Fun implies disrespect.
Don't construct these X implies Y sentences any more. It's an imprecise use of language which you've caught on to from some of the sloppy writers on this board. To correct the first sentence, good games are fun, shit games are BORING AS HELL.
Next, fun does not have to imply disrespect at all, you've been infected by this silly idea that having fun (deriving pleasure from an activity) is somehow shameful. Perhaps it was a passage from icycalm that threw you off?
icycalm wrote:The lowest action trash is preferable to wholesome family entertainment. When you clean them up, when you make videogames respectable, you kill them. The wellspring of their art, their greatness, is in not being respectable
That was written in order to follow the style of the previous passages. Here is the position he later builds up to:
icycalm wrote:Consequently the vast majority of so-called "art" publications simply refuse to have anything to do with the advanced arts — with for example movies, since as far as diehard artfags are concerned movies are merely a coarse mass "entertainment" medium and nothing more (as if there could ever be anything more than entertainment, lol — notice moreover how diehard artfags achieve the admirable feat of turning "entertainment", i.e. pleasure, into an insult, a practice that videogame artfags will later on inherit and repeat, as we've already seen, with "fun"). They therefore let the "movie critics" deal with movies, with the implication that these people are not art critics — and let Ebert say what he will (just as Ebert in his turn does not consider videogame critics art critics — and let the videogame people say what they will).
But getting back to my own justification (you may interpret his words as you wish, I'm not here to speak for him, he can speak for himself, I'm just referencing what you've probably read), do I disrespect my friend when we go out shooting each other with blanks for fun? Do I disrespect the situation, do I disrespect people who shoot at each other for real? No, we're dead serious and both of us try to win, all while having fun. The more serious, the more
immersive it is, the greater the respect we both deal with the situation, the more fun we have. In fact that reminds me of what the wisest of men once said:
"Man is most nearly himself when he achieves the seriousness of a child at play." ~ Heraclitus
Finally, why would creating a movie about the Holocaust be respectful but then creating a game about (and here it's sloppy use of language on our friend's part which I've carried forward, the game is themed around the Holocaust , what it is about depends on its mechanics) the Holocaust disrespectful. Have you not derived
pleasure from watching certain (good) movies about the Holocaust?
So, we're left with either the proposition that Schindler's list is disrespectful (as many people have complained, actually) or neither of them are disrespectful. They're both forms of entertainment, aren't they?
As for the funeral, the disrespect, the INSULT, is not primarily there due to you playing with the gameboy, but instead because you are not properly participating in the funeral.